The conversation discusses the emerging professionalization of the cybersecurity industry worldwide. It highlights the importance of making cybersecurity a priority and the growth and maturation of the cybersecurity profession. The role of professional bodies like ISC2 and ISACA in promoting professionalism and providing certifications is emphasized. The conversation also distinguishes between product certifications and organizational body certifications, highlighting the importance of continuous education and professional development. The difference between professionalization and specialization is explored, with an emphasis on the need for both breadth and depth of knowledge. The conversation concludes by mentioning the involvement of professional bodies in promoting professionalization and the goal of having all staff members certified.