In this conversation, Sujit Christy and Benjamin Luck discuss the current state of professionalization in the cyber industry. They explore the concepts of chartering and licensing as methods of professionalizing the industry, with examples such as the UK Cyber Security Council and the licensing in Canada and Singapore. They also discuss the convergence of code of ethics with chartering and licensing requirements, and the potential impact on the industry if cyber insurance companies require chartered professionals. The conversation emphasizes the importance of having a strong knowledge base and certifications in cybersecurity.